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"You had to invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in printing discs and putting them in boxes and shipping them to Walmart. "GDC was just starting and it's hard to actually realise how different it was back then making games, because you couldn't just make a game and sell it to people. "There was no indie scene back then," he says. You had to produce all this crap before you made any money and that means you needed a publisher."
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Pope and the core group that made the mod would later go on to start Ratloop in the late nineties. That was where I first started realising how much cool stuff you could do with software."Īfter "tooling around" on his own and making C64 games with friends, Pope helped make a commercial mod for Quake (a game that “rocked my world”), which was sold to a publisher and made it to retail. "But you could write sprites and move them around and you could have buttons and interactions and things like that. "And it was a programmer language, it wasn't visual scripting, you had to write code. "It has this packed-in application called Hypercard, which was basically a way you could script tiny interactive pieces of software," he says.
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A NES was an essential part of gaming at the time, but it was a Mac Plus that Pope’s parents bought him that sparked his interest in programming. Whilst growing up in the US state of Virginia Pope got the bite for games. He lives in Tokyo with his wife, a programmer he met at a games company they were both working at, after he moved from the States four years ago. I'm speaking to Pope on a very early Sunday morning through Skype to compensate his nine-hour time difference in Japan on a Sunday evening. It was one of 2013's biggest indie success stories. "This was one of the things I tried to capture in the game, this kind of ambiguity and this vagueness to everything, not knowing for sure what anybody is saying is true and not knowing who to trust."īut there’s been no uncertainty regarding how Papers, Please has fared since release. They're scared you're going to do something wrong, they can't verify your identity or they're being really extra careful. You're a real person, but from their perspective it's just like an anomaly that they're worried about. “When you look at it from the other side, at least for me, I have a whole new level of understanding for the position that the authorities at the German airport, at least in your case, were in." "That's one of the things I like about the game,” Pope tells me. It was one of those experiences similar to my own that helped inspire the game's creator, Lucas Pope, to develop the game. The first few times I played Papers, Please, it reminded me of those 24 hours in Germany that have left me scarred. Sitting in Frankfurt Main airport (and having to run it end-to-end at one point), stressing out as to whether I'll get the papers in time for the flight, and how I nearly didn't get past security thanks being given photocopied papers, not the genuine article, by Aer Lingus. Then there was the hour-long train from Cologne to Frankfurt the next day which had me in tears. I called the Irish embassy and followed up with the German consulate to get papers sorted for a flight back to Dublin. I had to let my family and boss know the situation. The panic sank in as I realised it was missing. They can't verify your identity or they're being really extra careful." "You're a real person, but from their perspective it's just like an anomaly that they're worried about. You may laugh at this - and looking back, I occasionally chuckle about it - but at the time as a 19-year old, it was very scary.
Three-and-a-half years ago I somehow lost my passport in Cologne.
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Lucas Pope discusses his career, from Quake mods to Naughty Dog, the success of Papers, Please and why there won’t be a sequel.
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